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Enregistrement W2170192860 · doi:10.1029/2010jc006097

Comment on “Response of the global ocean to Greenland and Antarctic ice melting” by D. Stammer

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Notice bibliographique

RevueJournal of Geophysical Research Atmospheres · 2010
Typearticle
Langueen
DomaineEarth and Planetary Sciences
ThématiqueArctic and Antarctic ice dynamics
Établissements canadiensFisheries and Oceans Canada
Organismes subventionnairesnon disponible
Mots-clésOceanographyGeologyBaySea iceKrillClimatology

Résumé

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[1] Stammer [2008] comes to the conclusion that sea level rise from melting Greenland ice will have little effect on sea levels in the Pacific and other distant areas for over 50 years. This result has important ramifications and has been reported in the press. He derives a similar result for melting of Antarctica. However, these are conclusions that the paper is unable to support. A retraction needs to be printed. [2] Stammer's [2008] study is on the redistribution of water properties (including sea level) in the oceans of the world in response to injection of fresh water near Greenland and Antarctica. Stammer's Figure 1 shows locations and amounts of fresh water entering the oceans in a graphical, semiquantitative form. Stammer's Figures 2–11 show maps and plots of the response of the global ocean after time steps of up to 50 years. Stammer's Figure 6 shows that in 50 years, sea level will have increased in the Baffin Bay/Labrador Sea area by about 30 mm, but in the rest of the Atlantic by less than 10 mm, and in the Pacific by only 1.5 to 2 mm. Similarly, Stammer's Figure 10 shows sea level rise after 50 years due to melting of Antarctica, of 10 cm close to Antarctica, but less than 0.5 mm for areas north of 60°S. [3] Stammer's [2008] paragraph 47 in section 5 states, “The corollary of our findings is that melt water dumped into the North Atlantic from Greenland will reside first of all in the Atlantic and will only slowly propagate into the other basins. In particular, it will take a significant length of time until the Pacific Ocean will “feel” this extra volume, for example, in form of sea level rise. This is an important result since it implies that melting of Greenland's ice cap is much less of a threat to tropical islands in the Pacific than it is for the coasts of North America and Europe.” [4] While it may be true that the actual water will reside in the Atlantic, the paper cannot demonstrate that it will take 50 years and longer until the Pacific Ocean will “feel” it, since the actual addition of fresh water is explicitly omitted from the model. Actual addition of water into the model would lead to a much larger rise in sea level which would swamp the results presented. [5] In the model, the effect of fresh water injection is simulated by removing salt [Stammer, 2008, paragraph 15]. This changes the structure of the water column in a way consistent with Greenland ice melting, but omits any actual addition of mass, thereby removing the main cause of sea level rise. Stammer's paragraph 36 states “We followed the approach suggested by Greatbatch [1994], by assuring that the globally averaged bottom pressure remains constant over the entire model run. This assumption is equivalent to the model's mass remaining unchanged.” [6] Given that no net mass is added to the model, it is at first surprising that Stammer finds any sea level rise at all. However, when salt is removed, water must be added to maintain the model's mass, causing a relatively small increase in model ocean volume. This increase, with the values shown in Figure 6 of Stammer [2008], is equivalent to about 3.5% of the volume increase that would occur if fresh water were really added. This fraction represents the weight of salt compared to the weight of water in the reference seawater used, see Stammer's paragraph 15. “Real” addition of water would of course significantly increase the model's mass. [7] An important piece of information that should have been provided by Stammer [2008] is the total fresh water flux considered in the model. Figure 1 of Stammer's paper shows the locations of the “additions,” with amounts indicated by colored squares. Visual integration of squares near Greenland is difficult, but suggests a total freshwater flux on the order of 20,000 m3 s−1, equivalent to about 600 Gt/yr, or about 3 times the present (2003–2009) melt rate indicated by the GRACE satellite [Velicogna, 2009]; 600 Gt/yr is equivalent to a global rise rate of 1.5 mm/yr, or 75 mm in 50 years, roughly 30 times the global average value in Figure 6 of Stammer. This is as expected, given that Stammer's model will see only 3.5% of the true rise. [8] The actual time response with which the global oceans feel this huge increase in mass from Greenland cannot be studied by Stammer's model. It may be the same as implied by Stammer's [2008] Figure 6, but the actual rate of addition of fresh water implies a sea level increase of about 10 m near Greenland, which could not be balanced by any reasonable geostrophic flows. A much faster response of global sea level is more likely. [9] Stammer [2008] supports his conclusions by noting that they are consistent with earlier studies by Bryan [1996] and Hsieh and Bryan [1996]. These studies are also of the redistributions of ocean properties, including sea level. However, the changes are in response to warming of the oceans, in which no mass addition occurs, so they are not subject to Stammer's error. Greatbatch [1994], referred to by Stammer as noted above, also discussed steric sea level rise, and so was also not concerned with the addition of mass. In view of the relevance of this result in planning for impacts of global climate change, it is important that errors like this are discussed and corrected. [10] This work was supported by Fisheries and Oceans Canada and by the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) under the GRIP (Government Related Initiative Program). I thank colleagues at IOS for discussions and suggestions.

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Prédiction machine sur la base complète

Imitation des enseignants

Ni prévalence calibrée, ni vérité terrain. Validation humaine à venir. Le volet Gemma est une étiquette directe du modèle pour chaque travail de la base, lue sur la notice réduite au titre. Le volet Codex est un classifieur appris des 10 348 étiquettes directes de Codex et calibré sur les taux pondérés de l'échantillon; les champs sans appui suffisant ne portent aucun appel Codex. Le mode candidate est l'union des deux volets; le consensus est leur intersection. Ces sorties portent le statut machine_predicted_unvalidated et ne sont pas des étiquettes humaines.

score de la tête « metaresearch » (Codex)0,005
score de la tête « metaresearch » (Gemma)0,026
Version: metacan-v3-hybrid-931329e0061cStatut de validation: machine_predicted_unvalidated
Catégories candidatesaucune
Catégories consensuellesaucune
DomaineSignal candidat: aucune · Signal consensuel: aucune
Devis d'étudeSignal candidat: Sans objet · Signal consensuel: Sans objet
GenreSignal candidat: Commentaire · Signal consensuel: Commentaire
Score de désaccord entre enseignants0,039
Score d'incertitude au seuil0,048

Scores du classifieur distillé par catégorie (deux têtes)

CatégorieCodexGemma
Métarecherche0,0050,026
Méta-épidémiologie (sens strict)0,0020,001
Méta-épidémiologie (sens large)0,0020,002
Bibliométrie0,0010,002
Études des sciences et des technologies0,0030,004
Communication savante0,0030,004
Science ouverte0,0040,002
Intégrité de la recherche0,0390,032
Charge utile insuffisante (le modèle a refusé de juger)0,0100,011

Scores machine (provisoires)

Les deux têtes enseignantes du modèle étudiant, lues sur ce travail. Un score ordonne la base pour la relecture; il n'affirme jamais une catégorie, et le statut de validation accompagne chaque rangée tel quel.

Scores de référence d'un modèle non mature (critères de maturité non atteints, 7 itérations). Un score ordonne; il n'affirme jamais une catégorie.

Tête enseignante Opus0,015
Tête enseignante GPT0,286
Écart entre enseignants0,271 · la distance entre les deux têtes enseignantes sur ce seul travail
Statut de validationscore_only:v0-immature-baseline · tel quel depuis la passe de notation : score_only signifie que le nombre peut ordonner les travaux, et qu'aucune étiquette de catégorie n'en découle

Classification

machine, non validée

Prédiction automatique; un appel candidat d’une seule source (Gemma direct ou Codex distillé), pas un consensus.

Les modèles n’ont appliqué aucune catégorie : rien dans la taxonomie ne correspondait à ce travail.
Devis d'étudeSans objet
Domainenon disponible
GenreCommentaire

Le détail, modèle par modèle et score par score, se trouve en fin de page sous « Comment cette classification a été obtenue ».

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Publié2010
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