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Record W2909719281 · doi:10.1016/j.wem.2018.12.002

In Reply to Dr Podsiadło et al

2019· letter· pl· W2909719281 on OpenAlexaff
Gordon G. Giesbrecht

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VenueWilderness and Environmental Medicine · 2019
Typeletter
Languagepl
FieldMedicine
TopicThermal Regulation in Medicine
Canadian institutionsUniversity of Manitoba
Fundersnot available
KeywordsPhilosophyPsychologyMedicine

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To the Editor: We thank Podsiadlo et al1Podsiadlo P. Pasquier M. Kosinski S. Sanak T. Galazkowski R. Darocha T. In response to Cold Card by Giesbrecht.Wilderness Environ Med. 2019; 30: 105-106Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (1) Google Scholar for recognizing the value of the Cold Card2Giesbrecht G.G. “Cold Card” to guide responders in the assessment and care of cold-exposed patients.Wilderness Envion Med. 2018; 29: 499-503Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (6) Google Scholar as a useful field tool for refreshing knowledge concerning hypothermia recognition and care. The Cold Card was primarily designed for wilderness search and rescue teams and medical responders (although it would be valuable to the lay adventurer as well). The goal for users of the Cold Card is to use as much advice as their experience and equipment allow. The Cold Card is concise and consistent with the Wilderness Medical Society (WMS) practice guidelines (PGs) for hypothermia.3Zafren K. Giesbrecht G.G. Danzl D.F. Brugger H. Sagalyn E.B. Walpoth B. et al.Wilderness Medical Society practice guidelines for the out-of-hospital evaluation and treatment of accidental hypothermia: 2014 Update.Wilderness Environ Med. 2014; 25: 425-445Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF PubMed Scopus (27) Google Scholar Therefore, by necessity, background or advanced information is not included, and choices are minimized; rather, use of this decision aid would be optimized by experience, training, and/or familiarization with the PGs.3Zafren K. Giesbrecht G.G. Danzl D.F. Brugger H. Sagalyn E.B. Walpoth B. et al.Wilderness Medical Society practice guidelines for the out-of-hospital evaluation and treatment of accidental hypothermia: 2014 Update.Wilderness Environ Med. 2014; 25: 425-445Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF PubMed Scopus (27) Google Scholar It is assumed that responders who have the Cold Card will likely have at least the minimal equipment prescribed on the “Care for Cold Patient” side with which to create a hypothermia wrap. We acknowledge that medical equipment such as intravenous (IV) fluid or cardiac monitoring in the field are rare but possible (eg, military operations or helicopter delivery of a rescue team and equipment). The Cold Card simply advises what to do if these resources are available. The Cold Card avoids advice that requires choices because this would require the user to know and understand background information, make proper analysis of the data, and then engage in correct decision-making, a process that is often unsuccessful for users without advanced training. Podsiadlo et al seem to have little disagreement with the substance of the Cold Card. Rather, they present a concern related to perceived delays in evacuation and make suggestions regarding the amount of detail to include on the card. First, they state, “the Cold Card suggests placing every victim in mild hypothermia in a sitting or lying position for 30 min. The 2014 Wilderness Medical Society Practice Guidelines highlighted that applying this recommendation should be limited to nonwalking victims when shelter and rewarming is available. Leaving a hypothermic patient sitting or lying down in a cold environment would probably lead to further heat loss. There is no evidence for delaying the evacuation of a healthy, mildly hypothermic victim from a hostile environment.” In response, nowhere in the guidelines or the Cold Card is it implied that a cold patient should be left uninsulated in the cold, nor should evacuation be delayed. It will normally take some time to coordinate evacuation equipment (eg, insulation, stretcher) and personnel. If during this preparation period (eg, 30 min of proper care and monitoring) the patient's condition improves and he or she seems able to self-ambulate, he or she can do so under supervision. If not, the patient should be immediately evacuated by rescue personnel. Also, please note that a “cold-stressed but not hypothermic” person (who is likely shivering moderately) is encouraged to exercise to create heat and/or to seek shelter. We contend, however, that a mildly hypothermic patient is not “healthy,” and care must be taken to prevent the patient's condition from deteriorating. Podsiadlo et al also state, “No rescue collapse has been reported in mildly hypothermic victims without trauma or other comorbidities.”1Podsiadlo P. Pasquier M. Kosinski S. Sanak T. Galazkowski R. Darocha T. In response to Cold Card by Giesbrecht.Wilderness Environ Med. 2019; 30: 105-106Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (1) Google Scholar We have demonstrated a mild case of circumrescue collapse after only 2.5 min of swimming in 10°C water.4Rankine T. Giesbrecht G. Beyond Cold Water Boot Camp.http://www.beyondcoldwaterbootcamp.com/Date: 2011Date accessed: December 5, 2018Google Scholar There are plenty of examples of conscious, ambulatory victims collapsing and/or dying after either climbing up onto a rescue vessel or after being hoisted into a rescue helicopter; some victims were only mildly hypothermic.5Golden F.S.C. Hervey G.R. Tipton M.J. Circumrescue collapse: collapse, sometimes fatal, associated with rescue of immersion victims.J Roy Nav Med Serv. 1991; 77: 139-149PubMed Google Scholar We have also reported 2 levels of circumrescue collapse (unconsciousness and death) in 3 members of a group of rowers rescued after 50 min in 4°C water; their condition deteriorated from moderate hypothermia to severe hypothermia during a rough 13-min transport to shore with little insulation.6Giesbrecht G.G. Hayward J.S. Problems and complications with cold water rescue.Wilderness Environ Med. 2006; 17: 26-30Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF PubMed Scopus (29) Google Scholar Thus, we are confident in the WMS PG recommendation that “A shivering patient who may be hypothermic should be kept as warm as possible, given calorie replacement, and observed for at least 30 min before exercising. The patient should be monitored closely. An alert patient may be allowed to stand. If the patient can stand without difficulty, exercise intensity should start low and increase gradually as tolerated (1C).”3Zafren K. Giesbrecht G.G. Danzl D.F. Brugger H. Sagalyn E.B. Walpoth B. et al.Wilderness Medical Society practice guidelines for the out-of-hospital evaluation and treatment of accidental hypothermia: 2014 Update.Wilderness Environ Med. 2014; 25: 425-445Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF PubMed Scopus (27) Google Scholar As always, with any decision aid, common sense and the current situation ultimately dictate what to do. Obviously, if it is not possible to insulate, shelter, or carry a mildly hypothermic patient (eg, on a mountainside), the patient may have to walk or climb independently. However, the responders should be aware that the patient's condition could deteriorate quickly under these circumstances. Second, we agree that the “availability of flow warmers of intravenous fluids in emergency medical services and mountain rescue teams is very limited”1Podsiadlo P. Pasquier M. Kosinski S. Sanak T. Galazkowski R. Darocha T. In response to Cold Card by Giesbrecht.Wilderness Environ Med. 2019; 30: 105-106Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (1) Google Scholar and difficult to implement. The difficulties and procedures are covered in depth in the WMS guidelines.2Giesbrecht G.G. “Cold Card” to guide responders in the assessment and care of cold-exposed patients.Wilderness Envion Med. 2018; 29: 499-503Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (6) Google Scholar However, it is possible that some groups may have IV fluid supplies for use either in the field (eg, military) or during intermediate stages of transport (eg, ambulance). This item is included in the Cold Card to ensure that any users are aware that the all IV fluid must be warmed. Finally, Podsiadlo et al make 2 recommendations: “The measurement of blood glucose in hypothermic patients with altered mental status should be mandatory. Prolonged shivering may lead to the depletion of glycogen stores and, subsequently, to hypoglycemia.”1Podsiadlo P. Pasquier M. Kosinski S. Sanak T. Galazkowski R. Darocha T. In response to Cold Card by Giesbrecht.Wilderness Environ Med. 2019; 30: 105-106Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (1) Google Scholar I agree with the sentiment of this comment. Indeed, the WMS PGs state that “Hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia have been reported in hypothermia. Point-of-care glucose testing is routine in patients with an altered level of consciousness, but may not be available in an out-of-hospital setting. Recommendation. Glucose should be administered to a hypothermic patient who is hypoglycemic (1A). Insulin is not initially indicated for hyperglycemia (1B). If glucose testing is not available, IV glucose can be administered empirically to a hypothermic patient with altered mental status (1C).”3Zafren K. Giesbrecht G.G. Danzl D.F. Brugger H. Sagalyn E.B. Walpoth B. et al.Wilderness Medical Society practice guidelines for the out-of-hospital evaluation and treatment of accidental hypothermia: 2014 Update.Wilderness Environ Med. 2014; 25: 425-445Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF PubMed Scopus (27) Google Scholar Glucose testing has not been included in the Cold Card for 2 main reasons: It is assumed that caregivers with the ability to measure blood glucose who have access to required supplies would have an advanced level of knowledge and training and would be familiar with the guidelines included in the WMS PGs. Furthermore, this procedure cannot be adequately summed up in 1 simple point (as is the general goal of the Cold Card). Issues that require decisions, choices, and judgment are generally left for compressive reading of the PGs. The final recommendation is to add “Early notification of facility with extracorporeal life support”1Podsiadlo P. Pasquier M. Kosinski S. Sanak T. Galazkowski R. Darocha T. In response to Cold Card by Giesbrecht.Wilderness Environ Med. 2019; 30: 105-106Abstract Full Text Full Text PDF Scopus (1) Google Scholar to the Cold Card. This also is a very good point that is explained fully in the WMS PGs but not included in the Cold Card at this time. Thank you again for these excellent observations. The Cold Card has undergone continued review and improvement and should not be considered “set in stone.” An update of the WMS PGs for hypothermia is currently underway, and I will ensure these concerns are considered by the authorship who initially approved both the Cold Card design and content.

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Teacher imitation

Not calibrated prevalence, not ground truth. Human validation pending. Learned from the 10,348 direct Codex labels and 10,348 direct Gemma labels. Candidate is the union of thresholded teacher heads; consensus is their intersection. These outputs are machine_predicted_unvalidated and are not human labels or direct frontier model labels.

metaresearch head score (Codex)0.001
metaresearch head score (Gemma)0.000
Version: codex-gemma-dda1882f352aValidation status: machine_predicted_unvalidated
Candidate categoriesMeta-epidemiology (narrow), Research integrity, Insufficient payload (model declined to judge)
Consensus categoriesnone
DomainCandidate signal: none · Consensus signal: none
Study designCandidate signal: Not applicable · Consensus signal: Not applicable
GenreCandidate signal: Commentary · Consensus signal: Commentary
Teacher disagreement score0.117
Threshold uncertainty score1.000

Codex and Gemma teacher scores by category

CategoryCodexGemma
Metaresearch0.0010.000
Meta-epidemiology (narrow)0.0010.001
Meta-epidemiology (broad)0.0020.000
Bibliometrics0.0010.000
Science and technology studies0.0000.001
Scholarly communication0.0000.000
Open science0.0000.000
Research integrity0.0010.002
Insufficient payload (model declined to judge)0.0040.001

Machine scores (provisional)

The two teacher heads of the student model, read on this work. A score orders the frame for review; it never asserts a category, and the validation status ships verbatim with every row.

Baseline scores from an immature model (maturity gate not passed, 7 training rounds). Scores rank; they never assert a category.

Opus teacher head0.013
GPT teacher head0.272
Teacher spread0.260 · how far apart the two teachers sit on this one work
Validation statusscore_only:v0-immature-baseline · verbatim from the scoring run: score_only means the number may rank works, and no category label ships from it

Classification

machine, unvalidated

Machine predicted; a candidate call from one teacher head, not a consensus.

Study designNot applicable
Domainnot available
GenreCommentary

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