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Enregistrement W2070062469 · doi:10.1113/jphysiol.2012.235143

Reply from J.‐L. Fan, K. R. Burgess and P. N. Ainslie

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Jui‐Lin Fan, Keith R. Burgess, Philip N. Ainslie

Notice bibliographique

RevueThe Journal of Physiology · 2012
Typearticle
Langueen
DomaineNeuroscience
ThématiqueNeuroscience of respiration and sleep
Établissements canadiensUniversity of British Columbia
Organismes subventionnairesnon disponible
Mots-clésAcclimatizationAcetazolamideMiddle cerebral arteryCardiologyInternal medicineMedicineIschemiaBiology

Résumé

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We thank Drs Teppema and Berendsen for their interest in our recent paper (Fan et al. 2012). If we interpret their letter correctly, they have raised three noteworthy discussion points. First, why greater elevations in middle cerebral artery blood flow velocity (MCAv) and ventilatory CO2 sensitivities were evident during initial arrival to 5050 m (Fan et al. 2010) compared to those measured 5–12 days at this elevation. Second, they expressed concerns over curve fitting during isocapnic hypoxic rebreathing for the comparison of ventilatory O2 sensitivity between sea level and following ascent to 5050 m. Finally, they expressed skepticism over our use of intravenous acetazolamide to examine its effect on breathing control. Although we feel many of these points are discussed in our paper (Fan et al. 2012), the salient points are outlined below. The differences from during initial arrival to 5050 m (Fan et al. 2010) to those measured 5–12 days at this elevation (Fan et al. 2012) probably reflect partial acclimatization over this time frame. In our more recent study, we observed normalized pH and MCAv to sea level values, whereas our earlier report found these variables to be significantly elevated during initial arrival to 5050 m. Moreover, we found the changes in resting ventilation and with ascent to 5050 m to be greater following 5–12 days compared with initial arrival. This difference in the state of acclimatization would certainly account for the differences in the CO2 sensitivities between our two papers. Another possibility for these apparent discrepant findings may be due to the difference in sample sizes between the two studies. In our more recent report, only 11 subjects were included in the final statistical analysis, resulting in a tendency for the ventilatory CO2 sensitivity to be elevated at 5050 m (P= 0.085). In contrast, our earlier study reported ventilatory CO2 sensitivity in 17 subjects. Therefore, we believe that the lack of change in ventilatory CO2 sensitivity observed in Fan et al. (2012) could be attributed to insufficient statistical power to detect the changes in central chemoreflex following ascent to high altitude. Finally, the transition we used from room air at both altitudes to the end hyperventilation state resulted in a similar degree of mild hyperoxic exposure at both altitudes. We agree that testing peripheral chemoreflex sensitivity is extremely difficult, especially in the field, and additional O2 may be needed inside the rebreathing bag to ensure similar ranges. However, since the ranges assessed pre- and post-acetazolamide were similar at each altitude, we believe that the soda lime rebreathing method was sufficient to identify any potential changes in peripheral chemoreflex associated with our intervention. Moreover, we argue that the ranges assessed were physiologically more relevant at each altitude. We acknowledge that these points raised by Teppema and Berendsen are important considerations when assessing changes in hypoxic ventilatory sensitivities at high altitude. Nevertheless, acute gas control using end-tidal forcing is technologically challenging, especially in real field conditions as opposed to the safe confines of the laboratory (Teppema & Dahan, 2010). Also, although the authors make some interesting points about chemoreflex testing, based on their elegant review paper (Teppema & Dahan, 2010), comparisons with high altitude is almost impossible because of marked acid–base changes and the interactions between the peripheral and central chemoreflexes. Although we would suggest that no approach is perfect, we attempted to target end-tidal CO2 levels for the rebreathing at high altitude so the degree of CO2 washout of all tissues would be similar at the two altitudes. As discussed in our paper, Teppema and Berendsen mention that metabolic acidosis associated with chronic oral acetazolamide ingestion leads to a rise in ventilation and drop in , which independently stabilizes breathing – presumably via an increased plant gain (Dempsey, 2005). However, since the majority of the work on acetazolamide has looked at oral ingestions, our reasoning for using acute intravenous administration was to examine whether acetazolamide may alter ventilatory control and breathing stability by mechanisms other than metabolic acidosis. Oral and i.v. acetazolamide adminstration is clearly physiologically very different and no similarities can be drawn between the two. In summary, whilst thanking Drs Teppema and Berendsen for their interest, we feel their comments do not detract from our salient findings. We do agree, however, that the cerebrovascular response to CO2 may indeed be initiated at the arterial side of the blood–brain barrier.

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Comment cette classification a été obtenuedéplier

Prédiction machine sur la base complète

Imitation des enseignants

Ni prévalence calibrée, ni vérité terrain. Validation humaine à venir. Le volet Gemma est une étiquette directe du modèle pour chaque travail de la base, lue sur la notice réduite au titre. Le volet Codex est un classifieur appris des 10 348 étiquettes directes de Codex et calibré sur les taux pondérés de l'échantillon; les champs sans appui suffisant ne portent aucun appel Codex. Le mode candidate est l'union des deux volets; le consensus est leur intersection. Ces sorties portent le statut machine_predicted_unvalidated et ne sont pas des étiquettes humaines.

score de la tête « metaresearch » (Codex)0,003
score de la tête « metaresearch » (Gemma)0,024
Version: metacan-v3-hybrid-931329e0061cStatut de validation: machine_predicted_unvalidated
Catégories candidatesaucune
Catégories consensuellesaucune
DomaineSignal candidat: aucune · Signal consensuel: aucune
Devis d'étudeSignal candidat: Sans objet · Signal consensuel: Sans objet
GenreSignal candidat: Commentaire · Signal consensuel: Commentaire
Score de désaccord entre enseignants0,021
Score d'incertitude au seuil0,020

Scores du classifieur distillé par catégorie (deux têtes)

CatégorieCodexGemma
Métarecherche0,0030,024
Méta-épidémiologie (sens strict)0,0010,001
Méta-épidémiologie (sens large)0,0010,001
Bibliométrie0,0010,001
Études des sciences et des technologies0,0020,002
Communication savante0,0020,004
Science ouverte0,0030,002
Intégrité de la recherche0,0210,032
Charge utile insuffisante (le modèle a refusé de juger)0,0060,008

Scores machine (provisoires)

Les deux têtes enseignantes du modèle étudiant, lues sur ce travail. Un score ordonne la base pour la relecture; il n'affirme jamais une catégorie, et le statut de validation accompagne chaque rangée tel quel.

Scores de référence d'un modèle non mature (critères de maturité non atteints, 7 itérations). Un score ordonne; il n'affirme jamais une catégorie.

Tête enseignante Opus0,044
Tête enseignante GPT0,289
Écart entre enseignants0,245 · la distance entre les deux têtes enseignantes sur ce seul travail
Statut de validationscore_only:v0-immature-baseline · tel quel depuis la passe de notation : score_only signifie que le nombre peut ordonner les travaux, et qu'aucune étiquette de catégorie n'en découle

Classification

machine, non validée

Prédiction automatique; un appel candidat d’une seule source (Gemma direct ou Codex distillé), pas un consensus.

Les modèles n’ont appliqué aucune catégorie : rien dans la taxonomie ne correspondait à ce travail.
Devis d'étudeSans objet
Domainenon disponible
GenreCommentaire

Le détail, modèle par modèle et score par score, se trouve en fin de page sous « Comment cette classification a été obtenue ».

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