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Record W2070062469 · doi:10.1113/jphysiol.2012.235143

Reply from J.‐L. Fan, K. R. Burgess and P. N. Ainslie

2012· article· en· W2070062469 on OpenAlexaff
Jui‐Lin Fan, Keith R. Burgess, Philip N. Ainslie

Bibliographic record

VenueThe Journal of Physiology · 2012
Typearticle
Languageen
FieldNeuroscience
TopicNeuroscience of respiration and sleep
Canadian institutionsUniversity of British Columbia
Fundersnot available
KeywordsAcclimatizationAcetazolamideMiddle cerebral arteryCardiologyInternal medicineMedicineIschemiaBiology

Abstract

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We thank Drs Teppema and Berendsen for their interest in our recent paper (Fan et al. 2012). If we interpret their letter correctly, they have raised three noteworthy discussion points. First, why greater elevations in middle cerebral artery blood flow velocity (MCAv) and ventilatory CO2 sensitivities were evident during initial arrival to 5050 m (Fan et al. 2010) compared to those measured 5–12 days at this elevation. Second, they expressed concerns over curve fitting during isocapnic hypoxic rebreathing for the comparison of ventilatory O2 sensitivity between sea level and following ascent to 5050 m. Finally, they expressed skepticism over our use of intravenous acetazolamide to examine its effect on breathing control. Although we feel many of these points are discussed in our paper (Fan et al. 2012), the salient points are outlined below. The differences from during initial arrival to 5050 m (Fan et al. 2010) to those measured 5–12 days at this elevation (Fan et al. 2012) probably reflect partial acclimatization over this time frame. In our more recent study, we observed normalized pH and MCAv to sea level values, whereas our earlier report found these variables to be significantly elevated during initial arrival to 5050 m. Moreover, we found the changes in resting ventilation and with ascent to 5050 m to be greater following 5–12 days compared with initial arrival. This difference in the state of acclimatization would certainly account for the differences in the CO2 sensitivities between our two papers. Another possibility for these apparent discrepant findings may be due to the difference in sample sizes between the two studies. In our more recent report, only 11 subjects were included in the final statistical analysis, resulting in a tendency for the ventilatory CO2 sensitivity to be elevated at 5050 m (P= 0.085). In contrast, our earlier study reported ventilatory CO2 sensitivity in 17 subjects. Therefore, we believe that the lack of change in ventilatory CO2 sensitivity observed in Fan et al. (2012) could be attributed to insufficient statistical power to detect the changes in central chemoreflex following ascent to high altitude. Finally, the transition we used from room air at both altitudes to the end hyperventilation state resulted in a similar degree of mild hyperoxic exposure at both altitudes. We agree that testing peripheral chemoreflex sensitivity is extremely difficult, especially in the field, and additional O2 may be needed inside the rebreathing bag to ensure similar ranges. However, since the ranges assessed pre- and post-acetazolamide were similar at each altitude, we believe that the soda lime rebreathing method was sufficient to identify any potential changes in peripheral chemoreflex associated with our intervention. Moreover, we argue that the ranges assessed were physiologically more relevant at each altitude. We acknowledge that these points raised by Teppema and Berendsen are important considerations when assessing changes in hypoxic ventilatory sensitivities at high altitude. Nevertheless, acute gas control using end-tidal forcing is technologically challenging, especially in real field conditions as opposed to the safe confines of the laboratory (Teppema & Dahan, 2010). Also, although the authors make some interesting points about chemoreflex testing, based on their elegant review paper (Teppema & Dahan, 2010), comparisons with high altitude is almost impossible because of marked acid–base changes and the interactions between the peripheral and central chemoreflexes. Although we would suggest that no approach is perfect, we attempted to target end-tidal CO2 levels for the rebreathing at high altitude so the degree of CO2 washout of all tissues would be similar at the two altitudes. As discussed in our paper, Teppema and Berendsen mention that metabolic acidosis associated with chronic oral acetazolamide ingestion leads to a rise in ventilation and drop in , which independently stabilizes breathing – presumably via an increased plant gain (Dempsey, 2005). However, since the majority of the work on acetazolamide has looked at oral ingestions, our reasoning for using acute intravenous administration was to examine whether acetazolamide may alter ventilatory control and breathing stability by mechanisms other than metabolic acidosis. Oral and i.v. acetazolamide adminstration is clearly physiologically very different and no similarities can be drawn between the two. In summary, whilst thanking Drs Teppema and Berendsen for their interest, we feel their comments do not detract from our salient findings. We do agree, however, that the cerebrovascular response to CO2 may indeed be initiated at the arterial side of the blood–brain barrier.

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Full frame machine prediction

Teacher imitation

Not calibrated prevalence, not ground truth. Human validation pending. The Gemma side is a direct model label for every work in the frame, read from the title-only record. The Codex side is a classifier learned from the 10,348 direct Codex labels and calibrated to design-weighted sample rates; fields without enough sample support carry no Codex call. Candidate is the union of the two sides; consensus is their intersection. These outputs are machine_predicted_unvalidated and are not human labels.

metaresearch head score (Codex)0.003
metaresearch head score (Gemma)0.024
Version: metacan-v3-hybrid-931329e0061cValidation status: machine_predicted_unvalidated
Candidate categoriesnone
Consensus categoriesnone
DomainCandidate signal: none · Consensus signal: none
Study designCandidate signal: Not applicable · Consensus signal: Not applicable
GenreCandidate signal: Commentary · Consensus signal: Commentary
Teacher disagreement score0.021
Threshold uncertainty score0.020

Distilled classifier scores by category (both heads)

CategoryCodexGemma
Metaresearch0.0030.024
Meta-epidemiology (narrow)0.0010.001
Meta-epidemiology (broad)0.0010.001
Bibliometrics0.0010.001
Science and technology studies0.0020.002
Scholarly communication0.0020.004
Open science0.0030.002
Research integrity0.0210.032
Insufficient payload (model declined to judge)0.0060.008

Machine scores (provisional)

The two teacher heads of the student model, read on this work. A score orders the frame for review; it never asserts a category, and the validation status ships verbatim with every row.

Baseline scores from an immature model (maturity gate not passed, 7 training rounds). Scores rank; they never assert a category.

Opus teacher head0.044
GPT teacher head0.289
Teacher spread0.245 · how far apart the two teachers sit on this one work
Validation statusscore_only:v0-immature-baseline · verbatim from the scoring run: score_only means the number may rank works, and no category label ships from it

Classification

machine, unvalidated

Machine predicted; a candidate call from one source (direct Gemma or distilled Codex), not a consensus.

The models applied no category: nothing in the taxonomy fit this work.
Study designNot applicable
Domainnot available
GenreCommentary

How this classification was reached, model by model and score by score, is at the end of the page under "How this classification was reached".

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